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by senator johnny isakson. back to you guys. >> maria, brian, thank you very much. will a fiscal cliff deal be done in time? why don't you register your opinion. finance.cnbc. cast your vote. results will come up later on "power lunch." sue. >> we have a triple digit rally on the floor of the new york stock exchange with the dow jones industrial just off the highs of the trading session. we're up 109 points on the dow despite the gridlock in washington. nasdaq is up 41 points and s&p 500 is up 13 points. all three of those averages moving back above their 50-day moving average. first time we've seen that since october. trader from cnbc, and ceo of destination wealth management. ken y, i'm going to start with you. you were champing at the bit listening to the interview that was done in washington. why is this market up triple digits? is it up because they think there is a deal or isn't a deal? >> very interesting. i'm beginning to think the market is rallying because there is no deal, we're going over this cliff. let's not forget, it was a bipartisan committee that couldn't come to an agreem
to help some of the nation's top business executives sell their deal on the fiscal cliff and this week the white house had a major victory on that front. the business roundtable, the group that represents some of the top business ceos changed its position and came out in support of raising the tax rate on the top 2% as part of a larger fiscal cliff deal. in a conference call today, their chairman at the business roundtable said, some executives are unhappy that we want to even mention revenues or taxes but he said everybody's got to feel a little bit like they are getting nailed and then we will know if we've got a deal. white house officials met with this group and also helped them get to this place. they said, bottom line, they knew that they thought their prospects deal was grim and this was a step they had to take to help both sides come to a deal. >> maybe it will help because a lot of these guys are very, very influential. speaking of the fiscal cliff, jessica, what did the fed chairman ben bernanke say about these current negotiations? >> well, bernanke is the man credited with
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pressure as part of a broader fiscal cliff deal. there's an article on the front page of today's "wall street journal" that highlights other ways people are trying to take advantage of the certainty over the final few weeks of 2012. some of the examples they cite are people said to be accelerating large medical expenses for this year and selling appreciated stock in some cases even prepaying their mortgages so they can make sure they get the mortgage interest deduction. and, bob, you think -- for a lot of people that won't matter? >> you have the amt. so if you take excessive deductions, they just disappear. which is one of the things about all of this about limiting these deductions which is kind of silly because the amt does it in the aggregate. and of course the amt is grabbing more and more people and it's one of the things they want to reform, but if they reform it, they have to raise taxes someplace else. so it's confusing. >> but that's the worst part of it, a simpler tax code that someone could actually understand and now how things work that allows less room for loophole so is
>>> this morning on "meet the press," time is running out to avoid the fiscal cliff. is a deal closer than most think? >>> in public, the lines are drawn. but behind the scenes, the give and take over taxes and entitlement cuts point toward a deal by christmas. what is standing in the way? this morning, the debate is right here. the house speaker's top lieutenant, congressman kevin mccarthy, and top white house ally, the assistant senate majority leader, dick durbin. mccarthy and durbin square off. >>> then, what is the political endgame for both republicans and democrats? who wins and who loses as this fight drags on? >>> plus, the future of the republican party is a hot topic as both sides start plotting the 2016 campaign. our political roundtable features two former capitol hill insiders, newt gingrich and lawrence o'donnell. plus, three journalists on the story. >>> the looming fiscal cliff 22 days away. we'll go inside the negotiations with two top leaders in just a moment, but i want to start with the ongoing crisis in syria where the assad government is cracking down on
things up by failing to reach a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. but still, don't let it stop you from being really optimistic about the future. delta will buy up a 49% stake in virgin atlantic for $360 million. the deal creates a new joint venture between the two airlines spanning the atlantic ocean, virgin's founder sir richard branson is keeping his 51% stake in the company, but the move will significantly boost delta's international reach. i talked to delta ceo richard and irson earlier today. he says this is a move for more business and despite some rumors out there that delta wants to swallow up virgin, that simply doesn't make sense. talking about other things that don't make sense, anderson told me he would be in hot water if he ran delta like washington runs america. he also told me delta is getting ready for the fiscal cliff he hopes we don't go over. >> for the airline industry we almost have a perfect hedge against it. fuel prices will drop precipitously. and that's our largest cost. so we're a bit hedged against it. but if we, you know, we have contingency plans in place t
have to leave it there. president obama says no deal on the fiscal cliff. >> how does raising tax rates on the rich help the poor. that is what i don't get. true free market capitalism helps everybody. a rising tide lifts all boats. i'm laugrry kudlow we will be right back. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >> whow does taxing the rich hep the poor rise above poverty and get a job? let's talk to larry elder. he is the author of the great book, "dear father dear son". welcome back. how does taxing successful wealthy people help the poor get out of poverty. well for people who think like i think it doesn't make any sense. but understand something, that is not what
putting his foot down. he says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. america hits that fiscal cliff in 27 days and that means tax hikes and deep spending cuts if the democrats and the republicans can't come together in some kind of a deal and with just ten days remaining until congress is scheduled to go home for the holidays, the clock ticking. here's what he told bloomberg news. listen. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able it to get a deal without it. >> we start this morning with white house correspondent dan lothian, he's in washington, d.c. okay. so who's got the ball in their court at this point then, dan? >> well, you know, i think the house gop, they have presented their counteroffer which white house spokesman jay carney is referring to as, quote, magic beans and fairy dust. we expect that house republicans will keep putting pressure on the white house to engage, push for more details on what the white house will accept when it comes to additional entitlement cuts. but i think what's unclear is what kind of negotiating is goin
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we could do is go over the fiscal cliff. we have the same tax rates that we have when bill clinton was president. significant cuts in defense and also significant human services can you tell us. >> katie, let me ask you, before you respond to what governor dean is saying. there is logic to what howard dean is saying. i don't happen to agree with it. but i know where he's coming from. katie, let me ask you this -- katie can't hear me. we'll wait for her to get back hooked in. howard, what about the notion that i'm posing tonight -- i've said this a few times -- republicans better be careful. they're not going down your road and the democrats aren't going down your road. you have middle class tax cuts for the democrats and it sometimes sounds to me as an old reagan conservative that the republicans better watch themselves because sometimes it sounds like they are kind of defending rich people. that's their whole mantra, just defending rich people. and i think that's not where they should be. >> i would agree. if i were politically advising the republicans, which i'm certainly not, i
to avoid the fiscal cliff happening? >> i have no doubt that people are working hard to get a deal. we have the president re-elected and have a new congress, think it's right they get down to the business of sorting this out. i think america's got to think that what it needs to do is get growth in its economy, as well. and it needs to get growth by trade and exporting. and i think what we're missing at the moment is a global agreement whereby the big powers try to work on the economy. you have to have fiscal problems and you also have to have growth. that's the key for the future. there's a global deal waiting to be done, with china, europe, india also involved in this, and of course, america itself, where we could build the confidence that's necessary to get high levels of growth around the world. >> finally, gordon brown, i couldn't let you go without asking your view of the single biggest news story to hit the planet in the last week. it is, of course, the royal baby. >> it's incredibly important that we give them the privacy because her health is a massive issue. but you can see that br
and congress can't make a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff. a source of great concern for so many people, everyone's taxes will go up, will go up if there's no deal. let's go live to our white house correspondent dan lothian. he's on the scene for us over at the white house. how did it go, dan? >> reporter: well, wolf, we've seen the president do this before in the past whenever he's locked in negotiations with lawmakers. he heads out on the road, either goes to a backyard or sits down around a dinner table to put pressure on congress. that's what he did today when he went to falls church sitting down with the santana family. their parents who also are employed live in the household with them. so if taxes do go up on middle class americans, the overall hit on that household will be $4,000. so they're very concerned, but they were quite happy. they said it isn't every day that the president comes by and hangs out at your house. the message the president was trying to drive home today was aimed directly at congress and using this backdrop to tell a personal story. >> for them to be burdene
. tonight we are one day closer to the fiscal cliff and not one iota closer to a deal to avoid it. now, on january 1st, four weeks from today, automatic tax hikes and spending cuts kick in with potentially serious consequences for virtually every taxpayer in america. there has been zero progress on a deal, zero. keeping them honest though, the american people clearly want some sort of a compromise. polls show they want results but the two sides are still far apart on the issue at the heart of the debate, whether the wealthiest americans should pay more taxes than they do right now. the people you elected to get things done simply are not getting it done, not even close. but maybe we should not be surprised, because in a cnn/orc poll taken a few weeks ago, 67% said washington officials would behave like spoiled children in fiscal cliff discussions. only 28% said they would behave like responsible adults. with that in mind, here's what the key players, the grownups, have said in just the past 24 hours. listen. >> the math, it doesn't work. >> his proposal was so outlandish, i don't think
're no closer to compromise on a deal to avoid that show called fiscal cliff. >> it was also warm in the nation's capital despite the chill between democrats and republicans. >> president obama dug in his heels insisting on tax increase or higher earners. >> and they both agree he that the other's proposals are ridiculous. >> just a sampling of the coverage this week as the media keep a watch on what's done or not to avert the fiscal cliff. >> jim shall the overriding theme in the media seems to be that president obama won the election and therefore should do what he wants and the media seems to forget na john boehner and everyone else won their elections as well and they're a co-equal branch of government. >> i think the media loves the story of president obama's comeback and the new york time describes him as disciplined and unyielding and focused on this and i think there are other media stories as well. the second media story or narrative. which one wants to grow by virtue of the tax increases and get new perspective from the mainstream media and the third is mcconnell and boehner back and
to the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. and i think this raises the pressure to get a deal done. that's important. and the part of the deal that is actually not being talked about, but which will be central, is the spending side. the sequester is a very bad policy. both sides agree it needs to go away. they have to figure out how. and the tax side has to be matched by entitlement reforms and you can pick 37 if you have the right entitlement reforms but only 36 if you have less and you could get 38 if you have more. there's a lot of work left to be done. >> let's talk about that, robert. on the spending side. do you think that there's any way the democrats get out of this over the next 18 or 24 months without really addressing spending and probably annoying a lot of their base in the process? >> well, the president has already put a lot of spending cuts on the table. let me partially agree with doug. the employment report today was, although it looked pretty encouraging if you look at the numbers underneath the numbers it was not all that encouraging. the labor force participation rate, the percen
before the best deal the middle class in this country is going to get is if we go over the fiscal cliff. here's what will happen if we don't. here's what the compromise will do. there will be a small tax increase on people who could pay more. there will be no tax increase on middle class people fine in the short run and not long run because we can't about the budget without tax increases. the pentagon will get more money. this is note a good deal -- when -- i'll tell you what happens in the deal. the republicans get a good deal, the democrats are going to get a good deal, and the american people get screwed once again. this is not the right way to do it. we need to deal with the deficit now. this will take a big $4 trillion -- $7.3 trillion over ten years bite out of deficit. that is a significant amount of money. we have to stop kicking the can down the road. the politicians made a deal. now they should stick to it. >> it feels like we're going to be in for a significant period of real austerity like we haven't felt in decades. >> this is not real austerity. >> we've had the worst econ
possible on the fiscal cliff? does either side have a viable fallback? what will this brinksmanship mean for the economy and you? we'll get the latest from our decisionmakers. our capitol hill roundtable. debbie stabenow. tom coburn and jeep hensarling. >>> we'll get the decisions with our roundtable. then, our powerhouse roundtable weighs in on that and all of the week's politics. tea party stalwart abandons. >> conservatives on the hill are counting on us. >>> and the supreme court court takes on gay marriage. we'll break it all down with george will, james carville and mary matalin. paul krugman of the "new york times" and abc's own matthew dowd . >>> hello, again, just over three weeks away from that fiscal cliff, we just come off a week of press conferences, symbolic votes in senate, but less than an hour of serious negotiating. what will it take to break the stalemate? we'll get into that this morning, with two big roundtables of elected officials and experts. let's begin with the lawmakers. senator tom coburn for the republicans and debbie stabenow for the democrats. and congressm
evening. it's 10:00 on the east coast and we begin with brooking news on the looming fiscal cliff. and signs of a potential fall. for the past few nights we've been telling you about the frustrating lack of progress to avert a deal on automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that kick in less than four weeks from now. poll after poll shows the american people want compromise. but there weren't many signs that was going to happen, nothing was getting done. in a cnn/crc poll, 67% said washington officials would behave like spoiled children in the fiscal cliff discussions. only 28% said they would behave like responsible adults. tonight, signs that maybe some adult behavior might be prevail. and a compromise might be reached. joining me now, dana bash, jessica yellin, and david gergen. what's the latest? >> reporter: they are a long way from a deal. but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no
to discuss the officials of the fiscal cliff. we're just days before the congress and the white house has to hammer out a deal or everyone's going to suffer the consequences. emily, what have you learned about today's meeting? >> allison we know that today's meeting was not on the schedule today. so that means we have to rely on the word from the white house deputy press secretary and a congressional staffer which happens to be the exact same words. they released two separate statements, both identical and this is the statement. it says this afternoon the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. we're not reading out details of the constitution, but the lines of communication remain. on wednesday, you'll remember a source familiar with the conversation said they did speak by phone, at that point it was the first time in a week they had done so. no reported breakthrough then. and then on monday, the president and speaker were at the same event together. it was a black tie congressional ball at the white house. but republican and d
to is signed in to law. we'll have more on that later in the show but as far as the fiscal cliff, our first read team says we are already at the end game if the goal is to get a deal passed by december 21st. now that means the president and house speaker boehner have five days max to reach an agreement. that takes us to the 15th. then the legislation has to be written by the 18th. the president is now working two strategies to get a deal done. he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strategy as michigan congressman clark explains is going to the people. >> i think the best way to break this political gridlock in washington is to go to the american people because it's we the people that demand that the politicians and congress resolve this fiscal cliff but resolve in it a way that makes our country stronger. >> let me bring in the "news nation" political panel. neimalik henderson and goodfreend and contributor michael smerkonish. you the people, you talk to folks all day long on the
, maria bartiromo holding their feet to the fire about where they stand on the fiscal cliff and how they'll do their part to rise above partisan politics and reach a deal. now, there are some bowles comments. 40%, yeah, but the odds are much better. they're still 35% chance it will not happen. it's not exactly confidence building. >> not necessarily confidence building. always interesting to me how people can put percentage chances on anything like this. seeing how difficult it is and how the story changes to a certain steextent each day. who knows what's going to happen. >> public care, confidence numbers, spending, any relationship to the fiscal cliff at five. >> i don't know. i just don't know. i think anecdotally, from what i have been able to observe, no. but i can't speak for that. the journal today has the lead stories of consumer spending starting so slow. and in part, they cite the fiscal cliff. i think if you were out there, you would get answers that would not necessarily describe it correctly. >> it's a shame it's called fiscal cliff. and called radical tax increase. it was m
's a deal struck on the fiscal cliff. i think boehner is trying to exert control. leaders try to exert control before these votes happen. sometimes weeks before. so this was a warning to house conservatives, that if you go against leadership and a deal is struck, there are going to be consequences. >> yeah. so chuck todd, let's talk about the other side of pennsylvania avenue. the president of the united states yesterday speaking with john boehner. and they wisely decided not to characterize that phone call, thank god for the sake of america. and the world. also, you had tim geithner. good god. >> he didn't say anything he hasn't said before. >> geithner on the sunday shows was saying oh, yeah, the republicans are going to back down. they're going to cower in the corner, tremble and whatever. and then yesterday he said we're going to go over the cliff if republicans don't do what we want. i'm curious, what's the white house attitude right now? are they willing to go over the cliff? is geithner right? >> are they willing to go over the cliff? i guess they are, but they also don't believ
and resolve it so the country doesn't go over the fiscal cliff. >> where's congress right now? they're home. where's congress most of the time? at home. president obama is going where the votes are. he's going to lobby members of congress. where theically ay live and whe work. also, he has long opposed right to work laws. he believes they undermine wages for our workers and undermine benefits so he's also right to go to michigan and stand up for worker's rights. >> he's not negotiate, he's pressuring. president obama is working on the philosophy, this line attributed sometimes to al capone, you get more with a kind word and a gun then you get with a kind word alone. what he's doing is, he's got the advantage, the upper hand, putting his gun on the table. this is not about negotiation. he's not interested in an answer with republicans. he's interested in breaking the republicans on the tax pledge. that's his goal and he's applying pressure to attain it. >> we'll see if he succeeds or fails. thanks, guy, so much. >>> a crash in gas prices as americans hit the roads for the holidays. up next,
a problem coming and they push it off. until it becomes a crisis like the fiscal cliff. by the way, earth to congressman rangel, its is a fiscal cliff. this is a cliff. not a slope. so my point is, simply, they are simply saying what they are doing that they have to do. secondly, if you see the costs coming, you have one of two choices, you either cut your costs or you raise your prices. they will figure out what combinations and do an analysis and the price increase is passed on to the consumer. a last point, business has been saying this before obamacare was passed, after it was passed and leading up to the election. now, some of the riders do not do a good job of saying what the companies are saying and i don't think that the c.e.o. of garden is blaming all of obamacare if you read the article and look at the information he is simply saying it is a factor because they anticipate how they will deal with the impact of obamacare. >>eric: and the media coverage is and will hurt their business going forward. take a listen to president obama today, but, also, keep that in mind when we roll a
to go over the fiscal cliff, to use that terminology, something will happen before year end. hopefully, a comprehensive package that solves our nation's problems and then, later, next year we deal with tax reforms in a revenue-neutral way. but i do not want to see us -- go ahead, i'll stop. >> chris: let me bring in senator schumer. and, this goes beyond simply the question of this deal. why should congress give up its constitutional authority over borrowing? you know, we looked at your record, when george w. bush was president, and you voted at least three times against increasing the debt limit. why would congress unilaterally give up that power? >> well the bottom line is, i think on debt ceilings, things have shifted. i don't agree with my good friend, bob corker on the issue. i think it shift the way it has on taxes and we just saw that. senator mcconnell put on the floor a resolution that said, it was his idea, not ours, that let the president raise the debt ceiling, after all it is money congress already spent, and, let congress, by 2/3, override it. he thought we democrats woul
. important thing moving on about the fiscal cliff. the biggest story passed around here this morning was the politico article where they finally put a name on making a deal. the 37% solution, just split the difference between 35.6% and 39.6% increasing taxes and call it the 37% solution. that's the article everybody's been passing around today. on apple, just a quick note on apple here, there was as many notes out as there were analysts on apple. the main point on it is that most agree is that concern on iphone sales are the number one problem. att made a comment yesterday, that basically sales were the same as last year than the first sales of the --. a lot of t back to you guys. >> actually, i would be encouraged if i were an apple shareholder that the stock actually opened down today. if there's any hope. italian bonds getting hit today too. of course worth keeping track of. okay, let's shift the bonds into dollars. >> we're going to stick with that european theme and when bob pisani says central banks and activism in the same sen tes, i still have good bumps, they're not good goo
. they create an emergency by going over the fiscal cliff, and then they say because we have this big emergency, we need to do drastic things to defund mostly the domestic side of government, turn it over to private industry. whether it's health care or anything else. that's their aim. it's to drown the government in their bathtub as grover norquist famously said. >> i know. that sounds like the late senator moynihan, that the idea of supply side was basically to get rid of so much revenue the government had such big deficits that even liberals couldn't call for new programs. dana, your thoughts on that? >> that would be well and good except they're also getting all the taxes to go up at the same time, so they're not achieving anything by that. the republicans realize they lose politically if we go over the fiscal cliff, but this isn't just a political thing. the country loses economically if we go over it and then everybody is going to suffer -- >> let's go back to normal world. assume everybody is rational for five seconds. >> i can't do that. >> dana, you first. you're here in washington. an
. charles, bring it round to the fiscal cliff because it's all interwoven here. it's all about basically where should government be spending money, where should cuts be made, and who ends up paying the lion's share of this. my sense is this will not go over the cliff and the reason it won't is that public opinion is now raging so hard against the republicans in all the polls that you see, they've lost the argument so why go over a cliff and make it worse for yourselves. >> i think you're right about that, because all of the polls i've seen say exactly what you're saying which is that the republicans will be blamed if we go over the cliff. but the first part of your question i think is the more crucial part of the question, which is how do you not cut off your nose to spite your face. if you do things, you make cuts that harm children who need to learn, who need to be able to go to school on a full stomach and be able to stay a whole day and have programs that will allow them to be competitive with children in china and india, if you need that to be a real situation in america for us to b
, ands or buts on that specific aspect of the fiscal cliff. >> with respect to the tax rates, i want to emphasize, i am open to new ideas. i'm not going to slam the door in their face. i want to hear -- i want to hear ideas from everybody. >> that's not a no. here is the treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> there's no agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> not necessarily going up to the clinton era rates. just going up. today at a press conference at the capital, bain got a question about this. listen carefully to how he responded or didn't respond. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize this call? and also we understand that he just is making clear that it's got to be increasing rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit? maybe just not all the way to 39.6? >> the phone call was pleasant, but just more of the same. the conversations that the staff had yesterday, just more of the same. it's time for the president, if east serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> not a no on th
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